Teacher Tenure and Student Data - School Leadership 2.02024-03-28T17:41:58Zhttps://schoolleadership20.com/forum/topics/1990010:Topic:6153?groupUrl=data&commentId=1990010%3AComment%3A6263&groupId=1990010%3AGroup%3A5830&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI am so frequently at a loss…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2013-07-28:1990010:Comment:1687692013-07-28T22:30:51.657ZDr. Michael L. Cubbinhttps://schoolleadership20.com/profile/DrMichaelLCubbin
<p>I am so frequently at a loss at to why we - teachers - are resistant to using data to a higher level than we are now. Every other profession is able to define, collect, analyze and manage data to improve both productivity and achievement. From the used car dealer to the girl working the counter at a hamburger joint, everyone uses data to drive performance, make decisions and increase productivity. We have not yet pulled the curtain completely to reveal the wizard hiding in the dark. Practice…</p>
<p>I am so frequently at a loss at to why we - teachers - are resistant to using data to a higher level than we are now. Every other profession is able to define, collect, analyze and manage data to improve both productivity and achievement. From the used car dealer to the girl working the counter at a hamburger joint, everyone uses data to drive performance, make decisions and increase productivity. We have not yet pulled the curtain completely to reveal the wizard hiding in the dark. Practice Management Consultants deal with this every day by separating "practice" from "business." Until we <strong>permit</strong> the use of the word <strong>business</strong> when referring to schools, we will stay a day late and a dollar short on moving ahead. Data works to the benefit of every other profession. The first step is humbling and humanizing, but until we take that step, we will stay right where we are.</p>
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<p><a href="http://thebusinessofschool.org/" target="_blank">http://thebusinessofschool.org/</a></p> Ken and colleagues,
I think…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2011-12-15:1990010:Comment:833992011-12-15T19:44:31.746ZBrian Prestonhttps://schoolleadership20.com/profile/BrianPreston
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<p>I think the comment that student assessment data can't be used to determine tenure is a bit simplified: It can't be the only criterion on which tenure is based--it is to be use for 40% of the point in the new teacher evaluation system. This is an important clarification that will continue to evolve as the APPR evaluation system ratchets up over the coming years.</p>
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<p>Since we are tasked with doing teacher evaluation based on NYS Teaching…</p>
<p>Ken and colleagues,</p>
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<p>I think the comment that student assessment data can't be used to determine tenure is a bit simplified: It can't be the only criterion on which tenure is based--it is to be use for 40% of the point in the new teacher evaluation system. This is an important clarification that will continue to evolve as the APPR evaluation system ratchets up over the coming years.</p>
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<p>Since we are tasked with doing teacher evaluation based on NYS Teaching Standards, it will be useful to review Standard V (see <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.highered.nysed.gov/tcert/pdf/teachingstandards9122011.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.highered.nysed.gov/tcert/pdf/teachingstandards9122011.pdf</a>) which deals with using assessments for student learning. If actually implemented as written, then the basic outline of what might meet minimum levels of compliance referenced early in the thread won't be enough. The Teaching Standards outline a more responsible use of performance data that becomes a real basis for instructional decision making in schools and classrooms. It's the kind of work many of us have been attempting to do in Regional Information Centers around the state, and which is slowly finding it's way to forward-looking districts all around NY. We have a long way to go to help all teachers and administrators use data effectively. </p>
<p>In my region, PACE University in White Plains is using a dummy database developed by LHRIC that replicates most of the data analysis capability of our Data Warehouse in their teacher prep courses. Making appropriate use of data for instruction a preservice training requirement for teacher certification makes a lot of sense to me as well. We've training faculty at PACE on the use of the database for teacher prep. It's a decent start on upgrading higher ed teacher prep and the PACE education faculty are asking for more.</p>
<p>Brian</p> I think many new teachers are…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2009-08-10:1990010:Comment:162462009-08-10T13:26:54.573ZCatherine T. Julianohttps://schoolleadership20.com/profile/CatherineTJuliano
I think many new teachers are not aware of the requirement, as well as some building administrators. To start, this shouldn't just be a requirement for new teachers, all should follow the rule. When I brought this up for discussion in my building, it was discussed that we could show data that was used for RTI, CSE, report cards, benchmarking, etc. All teachers would be obligated to demonstrate that they are using data to improve instruction.
I think many new teachers are not aware of the requirement, as well as some building administrators. To start, this shouldn't just be a requirement for new teachers, all should follow the rule. When I brought this up for discussion in my building, it was discussed that we could show data that was used for RTI, CSE, report cards, benchmarking, etc. All teachers would be obligated to demonstrate that they are using data to improve instruction. Dear Ken,
Thank you for all…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2008-10-21:1990010:Comment:94262008-10-21T02:20:48.133ZBlanca Duarte Martinihttps://schoolleadership20.com/profile/BlancaEDuarte
Dear Ken,<br />
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Thank you for all this rich information, especially the part about open NYSED webcasts. I will try to keep up to date with the information as I find it very interesting, especially in how it will impact instruction. You mentioned schools of education in an earlier post; maybe this change will create movement (and upgrades) to curriculum in that area as well.<br />
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A good database is necessary for keeping track of the different types of teacher certifications and requirements for the…
Dear Ken,<br />
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Thank you for all this rich information, especially the part about open NYSED webcasts. I will try to keep up to date with the information as I find it very interesting, especially in how it will impact instruction. You mentioned schools of education in an earlier post; maybe this change will create movement (and upgrades) to curriculum in that area as well.<br />
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A good database is necessary for keeping track of the different types of teacher certifications and requirements for the state, as well as for districts. I wonder if the changes in regulations have created the need for more elaborate HR systems and how districts are faring with their current systems...<br />
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Thanks again for keeping us informed.<br />
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Blanca As far as I know, this is sti…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2008-10-20:1990010:Comment:94242008-10-20T16:51:53.742ZKen Wagnerhttps://schoolleadership20.com/profile/KenWagner
As far as I know, this is still moving forward. The requirement is written into law, and now the Regents are trying to figure out implementation issues.<br />
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The most recent presentation on the topic from Johanna Duncan-Poitier to the Board of Regents (June 2008) is attached.<br />
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If you are interested, you can follow the Regents action at<br />
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<a href="http://www.regents.nysed.gov/home.html">http://www.regents.nysed.gov/home.html</a><br />
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Specifically here…
As far as I know, this is still moving forward. The requirement is written into law, and now the Regents are trying to figure out implementation issues.<br />
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The most recent presentation on the topic from Johanna Duncan-Poitier to the Board of Regents (June 2008) is attached.<br />
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If you are interested, you can follow the Regents action at<br />
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<a href="http://www.regents.nysed.gov/home.html">http://www.regents.nysed.gov/home.html</a><br />
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Specifically here<br />
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<a href="http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2008Meetings/2008Materials.html">http://www.regents.nysed.gov/2008Meetings/2008Materials.html</a> (in the "Higher Education" section of each month's link)<br />
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I hope this helps. Thanks for helping to keep this discussion going!<br />
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Ken Hi Ken,
I'm curious as to th…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2008-10-19:1990010:Comment:94122008-10-19T02:13:48.636ZBlanca Duarte Martinihttps://schoolleadership20.com/profile/BlancaEDuarte
Hi Ken,<br />
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I'm curious as to the update of the memo and its implementation. One source told me this was not going to affect teacher tenure after all. I wish I could remember who said it but I don't. Do you know if this is the case, and if not, might there be a recommendation made for new teachers who are obtaining their professional license, that they be mandated to receive a certain requirement of PD hours in the area of data analysis and intervention methods? It doesn't seem to me that there is…
Hi Ken,<br />
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I'm curious as to the update of the memo and its implementation. One source told me this was not going to affect teacher tenure after all. I wish I could remember who said it but I don't. Do you know if this is the case, and if not, might there be a recommendation made for new teachers who are obtaining their professional license, that they be mandated to receive a certain requirement of PD hours in the area of data analysis and intervention methods? It doesn't seem to me that there is anything wrong with asking the required 175 hours of professional development every 5 years to be concentrated in areas which will directly affect student learning, like data analysis, implementation and redesign of instruction and RTI. Perhaps I am missing something...or maybe there are requirements already taking place? ESBOCES Regional Information…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2008-05-19:1990010:Comment:66822008-05-19T12:04:00.191ZEllen Moorehttps://schoolleadership20.com/profile/EllenMoore
ESBOCES Regional Information Center, Student Data Services understands the need placed on school districts to deliver meaningful data-driven professional development opportunities for teachers and administrators due to the Chapter 57 requirements.<br />
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In response to the need of districts to provide teachers with the resources to gather high quality data, as well as to understand what the data is saying in terms of student assessment and to inform instruction, Student Data Services is in the…
ESBOCES Regional Information Center, Student Data Services understands the need placed on school districts to deliver meaningful data-driven professional development opportunities for teachers and administrators due to the Chapter 57 requirements.<br />
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In response to the need of districts to provide teachers with the resources to gather high quality data, as well as to understand what the data is saying in terms of student assessment and to inform instruction, Student Data Services is in the process of developing a series of significant professional learning sessions to support the success of school districts in this endeavor.<br />
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What resource better than the Data Warehouse can provide school districts with the resources needed for success?<br />
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Please watch for updates from us on this very important topic. This is the beginning of an o…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2008-05-18:1990010:Comment:66462008-05-18T14:41:01.159ZAndrew Setzerhttps://schoolleadership20.com/profile/AndrewSetzer
This is the beginning of an opportunity for us all to work together to do more than just the bare minimum to meet the letter of the law. Opportunities for meaningful professional development will emerge soon, and I hope they will be embraced by all involved. Teachers have been enthusiastic when presented with worthwhile tools and workshops. Working, empowered data teams at schools have the potential to assist with meaningful change and improvement. This has to start somewhere and sometime.…
This is the beginning of an opportunity for us all to work together to do more than just the bare minimum to meet the letter of the law. Opportunities for meaningful professional development will emerge soon, and I hope they will be embraced by all involved. Teachers have been enthusiastic when presented with worthwhile tools and workshops. Working, empowered data teams at schools have the potential to assist with meaningful change and improvement. This has to start somewhere and sometime. Maybe the answer is here and now.... I agree. I would love to hear…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2008-05-14:1990010:Comment:65032008-05-14T22:36:06.469ZKen Wagnerhttps://schoolleadership20.com/profile/KenWagner
I agree. I would love to hear more about professional development opportunities that others have heard about or experienced.
I agree. I would love to hear more about professional development opportunities that others have heard about or experienced. Ken,
I agree that any good di…tag:schoolleadership20.com,2008-05-12:1990010:Comment:63812008-05-12T05:03:24.132ZDr. Thomas Rosati Ed. D. A.T.P.https://schoolleadership20.com/profile/ThomasRosati
Ken,<br />
I agree that any good discussion of school data by new teachers (and veteran teachers) that can be easily transferred into classroom practices is a good thing. A good place to incorporate this might be as part of a series of workshops for new teachers. I know many of the teacher centers especially MESTRACT have been offering terrific series for the new teacher. They would be a good resource for anyone looking for programs and needs of new teachers that can be promoted or included by a…
Ken,<br />
I agree that any good discussion of school data by new teachers (and veteran teachers) that can be easily transferred into classroom practices is a good thing. A good place to incorporate this might be as part of a series of workshops for new teachers. I know many of the teacher centers especially MESTRACT have been offering terrific series for the new teacher. They would be a good resource for anyone looking for programs and needs of new teachers that can be promoted or included by a school district.